Sarah Gaitanos, a historian and author known for her work on Shirley Smith, dives into the dramatic life of Bill Sutch, an economist accused of spying for the Soviets in 1974. She explores Sutch's turbulent romance with Smith, their intellectual bond, and the influence of their differing political views. The discussion sheds light on Sutch's controversial legacy, the emotional toll of espionage on his family, and the complex realities of New Zealand's Cold War intelligence operations. New evidence and evolving interpretations add further intrigue to this historical scandal.