Sarah Chayes, a seasoned corruption analyst and author of "Everybody Knows: Corruption in America," teams up with Tom Burgis, a Guardian investigations correspondent known for "Kleptopia." They dive into the international web of corruption and its chilling effects on democracy. The duo discusses how kleptocracies thrive through global networks, enabling widespread abuses of power. They emphasize the urgent need for accountability and highlight the role individuals can play in resisting corruption, fostering a culture of integrity.

In this insightful dialogue, Sarah Chayes, a corruption analyst and author, and Tom Burgis, a Guardian investigative correspondent, tackle the alarming rise of kleptocracy. They explore how systemic corruption has infiltrated democracies, undermining global stability. Chayes warns that U.S. policy could be sold to the highest bidder if Trump returns, while Burgis reveals how Western societies covertly enable corrupt regimes. Together, they highlight the urgent need for anti-corruption efforts and the critical role of investigative journalism in unveiling these complex networks.