Sara Kian Judge, Yuin woman and artist, talks about working with bats and sharks. They reflect on taking responsibility for destructive behaviors and discuss the topics of colonialism, cultural identity, and discomfort in racial discussions. The speakers also explore the lack of outlets for boys in Western culture and the inspiration they draw from bats. The precautionary principle and concerns about savannah cats, perception of time, the complex relationship between humans and kangaroos, and the decolonization and healing of Aboriginal communities are also discussed.