In this episode, we chat with Hasu and Sam Kozin (Lido) about Lido governance and the LDO <> stETH Dual Governance proposal. Due to Lido's key role in Ethereum, a major goal is to make the protocol more resilient from both a technical and governance perspective. We go through some of these governance initiatives, and discuss the LDO + stETH dual governance proposal, which better aligns incentives between the DAO and stakers. We also cover Lido's future roadmap and the other ways Lido will evolve. --- LDO + stETH Dual Governance