In this engaging conversation, Sam Adler-Bell, a journalist and co-host of the podcast Know Your Enemy, shares his insights on the normalization of disturbing societal issues, including genocide and the emotional desensitization surrounding contemporary warfare. He delves into interesting concepts like transference in relationships, revealing how our past shapes our emotional connections. Sam also discusses lessons from his father's experience as a labor lawyer, highlighting the values of hope and incremental change in the fight for social justice.

Sam Adler-Bell and Matt Sitman, co-hosts of the Know Your Enemy podcast, dive into Donald Trump's role in conservative history. They discuss whether Trump is a revolutionary figure or the natural evolution of conservatism. The conversation covers the resurgence of neoconservatism post-9/11 and its consequences, the impact of the Cold War on conservative unity, and the rise of the religious right. They also explore how Trump's appeal reflects both a transformation in conservative thought and the challenges posed to traditional values.