Sally Hayden, a journalist recently exploring Palestine and Israel, shares her eye-opening experiences from a press tour with Israeli settlers. She reveals the settlers' candid insights about their motivations and beliefs, shedding light on the ideological underpinnings of settlement expansion. Hayden contrasts the settlers' narratives with the harsh realities faced by Palestinians, including systemic harassment and legal disparities. The discussion emphasizes the urgent humanitarian crisis and the complex interplay of perspectives in this deeply contentious region.

Over four million people have fled Ukraine since Russia's invasion began. The support for Ukranians has been compassionate and heartwarming but it has also raised questions about why those fleeing North Africa and the Middle East are not afforded the same degree of sympathy. Sally Hayden is an award-winning journalist and photographer, and Africa Correspondent for The Irish Times. Her new book, My Fourth Time, We Drowned: Seeking Refuge on the World’s Deadliest Migration Route, tells the stories of refugees making perilous journeys and seeks to investigate the murky politics that means not all asylum seekers are given the same opportunities. Our host for this discussion is the economist, broadcaster and writer, Linda Yueh. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices