Dr. Sally Adnams Jones & Dr. Jen Peer Rich discuss their Radical Emergence podcast and the importance of exploring vulnerability and suffering, descent and embodiment in this time of rapid change. They explore the roots and dynamics of creativity, differences in male and female perspectives, and the role they play in integral and metamodern spaces. A rich and enlivening discussion on personal transformation, transpersonal eco psychology, the transformative arc, and future podcast plans.