Saio Gradin, a Politics teacher and community organizer, and Nicole Wires, an organizer at the Nonprofit Democracy Network, delve into the fascinating realm of prefigurative politics and workplace democracy. They discuss how embodying revolutionary ideals can transform current systems, focusing on worker self-direction and cooperatives. Gradin shares insights from his activism, while Wires emphasizes the challenges of fostering democracy in nonprofit settings. Together, they highlight the critical importance of collective governance and grassroots organizing for a more equitable future.