Dr. S. Craig Watkins, an AI expert, talks with Brené Brown about the alignment problem in AI systems and the potential for scaling injustice. They discuss who needs to be involved in building AI systems aligned with democratic values, how to ensure ethical principles are in place to avoid scaling injustice in high-stakes environments, such as healthcare and criminal justice, and emphasize the importance of intentional policies and expert involvement to guide the future development of AI technologies.