Ryan Sprague, a podcast host and advocate for psychedelics, interviews Luke Storey, who shares his transformative journey from addiction to sobriety. They discuss how certain plant medicines can aid in breaking free from addiction, highlighting a nuanced view of sobriety. Luke reflects on the historical context of the Twelve-Step movement and questions the rigidity of labels. Their conversation also explores the integration of psychedelic experiences with traditional recovery methods, emphasizing the importance of personal growth and self-awareness in redefining sobriety.