Ali Partovi, an investor and startup incubator founder, and Russell Kaplan, president of Cognition, dive into the complexities of OpenAI's recent $200 million deal with the Defense Department, raising questions about its impact on their partnership with Microsoft. They discuss the evolving tech landscape where AI's influence shapes job roles and mentorship dynamics. The conversation also highlights the emergence of tools like Devon, which redefine software engineering, emphasizing how these advancements might transform workflows and the future of tech talent.