Ros Urwin

Join Dan Gretton, author of "I You We Them," as he dives deep into the chilling concept of 'desk killers'—those unseen architects of atrocities. With Ros Urwin of The Sunday Times, they unravel the psychological motivations behind these bureaucratic perpetrators. The conversation probes the banality of evil, touching on historical figures like Eichmann and the moral complexities of individuals like Albert Speer. They also connect past horrors to contemporary practices, challenging listeners to reflect on responsibility and humanity.