In this discussion, John Iverson, a Canadian reporter for The Economist, delves into the escalating protests by Indigenous peoples against a gas pipeline, linking historical land rights to current tensions. He addresses how these protests spotlight broader issues of reconciliation and governmental oversight. Meanwhile, Roger McShane reflects on Hosni Mubarak's significant yet tumultuous rule in Egypt, analyzing the shifts from stability to the upheaval of the Arab Spring. Together, they provide a gripping exploration of the intersection of protest, power, and legacy.