Makena Kelly, a senior writer at Wired, discusses the influence of Doge and Elon Musk on government surveillance, particularly focusing on Palantir's controversial role. Roberto Camacho, a journalist from San Diego, highlights grassroots efforts to protect immigrant communities from ICE raids. They delve into the implications of budget cuts affecting public services and the growing trend of privatization in government, raising questions about data management and community activism. Their conversation showcases the critical intersection of technology, activism, and immigration.