In this enlightening discussion, astrophysicist Saul Perlmutter, philosopher John Campbell, and psychologist Robert MacCoun delve into their book, exploring how to apply scientific thinking to societal issues. They emphasize the importance of separating facts from values, advocate for probabilistic thinking, and discuss the emotional toll on scientists facing challenges to their work. The conversation also touches on the dangers of prioritizing individual genius in tech innovation and highlights the need for collaboration and critical dialogue in community decision-making.