Jesse Wegman, a member of the New York Times editorial board and author advocating for abolishing the Electoral College, teams up with Robert Hardaway, a law professor suggesting that the national popular vote could undermine democracy. They dive into the historical complexities of the Electoral College, examining its impact on swing states and the concept of political equality. The conversation also touches on potential reforms, the challenges of certifying election results, and the ongoing debate about majority rule versus state representation.

Jesse Wegman, a member of The New York Times editorial board and author advocating for abolishing the Electoral College, faces off against Robert Hardaway, a law professor who argues in favor of its preservation. The discussion dives into the complexities of the Electoral College and its alternatives like ranked choice voting. They debate the implications of a national popular vote, potential legal challenges in a contested election, and the constitutional authority of governors in certifying results. Both present compelling arguments about the future of electoral integrity and democracy.