Rob Shaul

We don't normally think of soldiers and first responders as "professional athletes," but that's exactly how my guest today argues they should see themselves. His name is Rob Shaul, and he's the founder and president of the Mountain Tactical Institute -- a research organization dedicated to creating fitness programming that takes workouts outside the gym and gives them a mission-centered focus. Rob believes that soldiers, police officers, and fire fighters, as well as folks who participate in strenuous mountain activities like rock climbing and backcountry skiing, should view themselves as tactical athletes and train not just to train, but for a purpose outside the gym.Today on the show, Rob and I discuss what makes the Mountain Tactical Institute’s mission-focused approach to fitness different from other organizations, why it is that soldiers and first responders should think of themselves as professional athletes, why soldiers in Afghanistan started following his fitness programming for mountain climbers, why there are so many out-of-shape first responders on active duty, and how to train to become a "tactical athlete," even if you're a civilian.

Rob Shaul, founder and president of Mountain Tactical Institute, shares his insights on the concept of a quiet professional—individuals dedicated to excellence without seeking the spotlight. He discusses the essential role of routine tasks in achieving success, the importance of humility in competitive environments, and the dangers of self-righteousness in leadership. Rob emphasizes personal integrity, prioritizing team needs over individual success, and the growth that comes from embracing challenges. His philosophy offers a refreshing perspective in a noisy world.