Richard Ori, expert on the science behind saunas and salt rocks, joins John to discuss the impact of saunas on hormones and changing your state. They share personal stories of pulling themselves out of a low frequency state in Los Angeles. The chapter covers the benefits of saunas on cardiovascular health, the origins of Spiritual Quest, letting go of chasing and focusing on desires, exploring grounded masculinity, the power of physical activities for confidence and joy, and the benefits of investing in health.