Richard Jones, Sheriff of Butler County, Ohio, discusses his county's 287(g) immigration enforcement partnership with ICE, defending the approach amidst political pushback. He highlights deportation levels across administrations and the financial benefits for his county. Frank Rosenblatt, a retired U.S. Army lawyer, shares insights from the Orders Project, addressing military personnel's need for independent legal advice and the concerns about moral injury during domestic deployments. Both guests explore pressing legal and ethical challenges in their fields.