Rev. Prof. Dr. David P. Gushee, a prominent author and scholar dedicated to defending democracy, discusses his latest book and the challenges facing American democracy today. He highlights the concerning ties between conservative Christianity and rising authoritarianism, particularly regarding the political manipulation seen in the Christian right. Gushee also emphasizes the dangers of Christian nationalism and advocates for love and community over divisive politics. Their conversation draws historical parallels to warn against the current climate surrounding faith and governance.