Brian McLaren and Rev. Jacqui Lewis discuss biases, doubt, contemplation, and action. They explore how biases hinder understanding, the importance of doubt for learning to see, and the role of faith in embracing uncertainty. They also address bias, love, and the desire to truly see, and highlight the transformative power of seeking a compassionate worldview. The podcast concludes with an introduction to the Center for Action and Contemplation and its resources.

Rev. Jacqui Lewis, PhD, a public theologian and the first Black senior minister at Middle Collegiate Church, discusses her book, Fierce Love. She explores how to navigate grief and find joy through community resilience. The conversation dives into loving your neighbor authentically, facing personal grief with vulnerability, and the transformative power of love in overcoming adversity. Lewis offers insights on fostering deep connections, making room for honesty, and the importance of self-acceptance in extending love to others.