Rajeev Syal, home affairs editor at The Guardian, dives into the rise of Shabana Mahmood, the Labour party's emerging star. They discuss her groundbreaking conference speech, reframing immigration through a lens of belonging rather than nationalism. Syal outlines Mahmood’s early political instincts, her toughened stance on citizenship, and challenges ahead with small boat crossings. He considers her potential as a leader, noting her cross-party appeal and likability. With her unique background, Mahmood might just be navigating a path toward future leadership in Labour.