Rafal K. Stepien, a Professor and author of "Buddhism Between Religion and Philosophy," dives into the profound teachings of Nāgārjuna, a pivotal figure in Buddhist philosophy. He unpacks the themes of emptiness and the radical idea of abandoning all views as part of achieving liberation. The conversation critiques Western interpretations of Eastern thought, emphasizing the intertwined nature of ethics and philosophy. Stepien also explores the literary qualities of Buddhist texts and the lesser-known developments of Madhyamaka philosophy in China, advocating for a richer understanding of these concepts.