Rachana Kamtekar, a Professor of Philosophy at Cornell University, delves into Plato's ethical theories in a captivating discussion. She explores the philosophical roots of self-sabotage, highlighting the tensions between knowledge, virtue, and our desires. The conversation touches on the complexities of human motivations, referencing thinkers like Freud and Nietzsche. Kamtekar emphasizes the teachability of virtue and the moral responsibilities tied to free will, ultimately illuminating the intricate dance of reason and spirit that defines our ethical lives.