In this enlightening discussion, Charles Villa-Vicencio, a South African theologian who directed research for the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, and Pumla Gobodo-Madikizela, a psychologist known for her work on forgiveness, share their profound insights on healing a nation. They recount emotional encounters, highlighting the transformative power of empathy and dialogue amidst trauma. The conversation explores the complexities of forgiveness, the moral awakening sparked by the Kairos document, and the essential role of truth in building a reconciled society.