In this discussion, the ABC's head highlights the challenges of providing public media amid competition and scrutiny. A veteran producer of a mental health show shares insights from 15 years of tackling tough topics. They dive into the media's intense coverage of the Philip Palkinghorn trial and its implications for mental health narratives. The importance of open discussions around grief and mental well-being is emphasized, showcasing the vital role dedicated programs like 'The Nutters Club' play in reshaping mental health conversations.