Cariad Lloyd chats with Poorna Bell, an author and journalist renowned for her work on mental health and grief. They discuss Poorna's new book, the importance of being grief elders, and share heartfelt anecdotes about navigating grief in communities. The conversation touches on the complexities of emotions, such as anger and happiness, that coexist during mourning. They also explore the significance of anniversaries, societal pressures on grief, and the healing power of open dialogues, emphasizing that no one has to go through this journey alone.