Lucia Pietrojusti, world-famous podcast co-host, and Philippo Ramos, interdisciplinary researcher, join forces with educator Phoebe Tickell and anthropologist Anna Singh, who blends art with ecology. They delve into the fascinating relationship between humans and the countless microbes within us, challenging traditional notions of individuality. The conversation sparks philosophical insights about interspecies communication and the interconnectedness of life, from puffer fish dances to urban ecosystems, emphasizing our symbiotic ties with the natural world.

Phoebe Tickell discusses imagination activism, perception shifts, and radical systems change. She emphasizes the transformative power of imagination and redefining the good life. The episode explores multispecies governance practices, heritage, moral imagination, and underrepresented voices in various fields.

Phoebe Tickell, a systems thinker and founder of Moral Imagination, explores how we can embody societal change in transformative ways. She introduces 'Warm Data,' revealing how relational context aids in understanding complex realities. Phoebe advocates for radical collaborations and discusses the need for evolving narratives that foster justice and connection. Delving into moral imagination, she emphasizes its role in fostering responsibility and creativity for a sustainable future, urging listeners to engage deeply in systems thinking.