Phoebe Kaufman joins to discuss The Wolf Man's Magic Word. They delve into holes, wounds, and openings. They explore cryptonomy and the interplay between the symbolic and imaginary. They touch on animal behavior, secrecy, recognition, and misrecognition. They also explore rhyme, numerology, and the unsayable. They discuss hidden desires, the symbolism of the nose, listening, and werewolves. They consider implications, reality, fantasy, and encryption. They share final thoughts and a podcast recommendation.