We hear calls for systemic change, but what does that look like? This hour, TED speakers share stories of taking on institutions — from schools, to medicine, to policing — so they work for everyone. Guests include economist Emily Oster, lawyer Priti Krishtel, and social psychologist Phillip Atiba Goff.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

Economist Emily Oster shares insights on data collection challenges during the pandemic, lawyer Priti Krishtel advocates for patent system reform, and social psychologist Phillip Atiba Goff explores subconscious biases in policing. The podcast delves into reimagining public safety, advocating for systemic changes in schools and healthcare.

The rift between police and Black Americans can feel impossible to bridge. But in his work with police departments across the U.S., Yale psychologist Phillip Atiba Goff has found novel ways to address the problem.If you like this show, please check out our new podcast, My Unsung Hero! And if you'd like to support our work, you can do so at support.hiddenbrain.org. 

Dr. Phillip Atiba Goff, founder of the Center for Policing Equity, joins Rashad Robinson of Color of Change, Bernice King of the King Center, and Anthony D. Romero of the ACLU to address systemic racism in the U.S. They discuss the urgent need for dismantling oppressive structures, share personal stories of injustice, and emphasize actionable steps toward justice. The conversation highlights the emotional toll on communities and advocates for reallocation of resources to promote true equity, urging individuals to engage in meaningful change.

Dr. Phillip Atiba Goff, head of the Center for Policing Equity, and Rashad Robinson, president of Color of Change, delve into the critical discourse on systemic racism in the U.S. They explore the emotional turmoil sparked by recent protests and the necessity for accountability and reform in law enforcement. The conversation highlights how systemic white supremacy affects marginalized communities, particularly during crises like the COVID-19 pandemic. They call for unified, strategic, and generational action to dismantle entrenched injustices and foster meaningful societal change.