William Taubman, a historian renowned for his work on 20th-century political figures, and Philip Taubman, a veteran journalist and co-author, discuss Robert McNamara's complex legacy. They explore his ascent as Defense Secretary, his role in escalating the Vietnam War, and his private doubts despite public optimism. New revelations, like Jackie Kennedy's letters, add depth to his character. The Taubmans also reflect on McNamara's moral reckoning and the lessons he learned, making for an intriguing analysis of one of America's most controversial leaders.