Philip Dray, a labor historian and author, discusses the monumental role of unions in American history and their impact on modern labor practices. Chris Smalls, president of the Amazon Labor Union, shares insights from leading the first Amazon union in the U.S., highlighting the urgent need for better working conditions and worker rights. The conversation also touches on political changes affecting labor, the minimum wage debate, and the struggles of college athletes—bringing humor and poignancy to the ongoing fight for workers' rights.