Worship leaders Brandon Lake and Phil Wickham talk about their upcoming tour, Kanye West's musical journey, the evolution of Christian leadership, and navigating industry politics. The podcast also explores faith, industry politics, and shares awkward vacation experiences.

In this podcast, Dave Barnes and Jon McLaughlin are joined by Phil Wickham, an incredible musician with a majestic voice. They discuss Phil's musical journey, including overcoming a career-ending injury. They also talk about his dad's wise musical advice, starting to lead worship at 13, and they have a Dadville First!