Phil Lapsley, an author and one of the last traditional phone phreaks, dives into the fascinating world of phone hacking. He reveals how early hackers used blue boxes and creativity to manipulate telephone systems, providing a thrill that led to both adventures and legal troubles. The discussion explores the playful spirit of the subculture and its unexpected legacy, influencing icons like Steve Jobs and Wozniak. Lapsley emphasizes the joy, risks, and community that defined this underground movement, unlocking secrets of an era that shaped the digital age.