Herman Daly, a pioneering ecological economist, argues against endless economic growth and advocates for a sustainable, steady-state economy. Joined by Peter Victor, his biographer, and his sister Denis Lynn Daly Heyck, they discuss the dangers of neoliberal policies and the necessity of innovative economic approaches. They share personal anecdotes about resilience and the importance of limiting resource consumption. The conversation honors Daly's legacy while contemplating how his ideas can address today’s ecological and societal challenges.