Peter Sunde, co-founder of the Pirate Bay and a key figure in the piracy movement, joins Karen Sandler, executive director of the Software Freedom Conservancy and a strong advocate for software freedom. They explore the fine line between piracy and open source, discussing how both promote information accessibility. The conversation delves into the ethical complexities of software sharing, activism, and the impact of corporate giants on the hacker culture. Sunde and Sandler also critique the obstacles faced by open source movements in today's tech landscape.