Robert Wright, an influential thinker, teams up with Peter Miller, a Covid origins investigator. They dive deep into whether the virus emerged from wildlife or a lab leak, challenging established theories. The discussion unpacks evidence from the Wuhan wet market and scrutinizes the patient zero dilemma. They also address the impact of tribalism on the debate and question the reliability of scientific claims. With insights into genetic analysis, they share crucial points on why understanding the origins matters, even if the lab leak theory isn’t proven.