In this conversation with Pete Wehner, a columnist at The Atlantic and former George W. Bush speechwriter, insights into the intersection of evangelicals, Trump, and abortion are unveiled. They share personal journeys shaping their pro-life beliefs while critiquing the current pro-life movement's political entanglements. The discussion reframes the abortion debate through biblical roles of king, prophet, and priest, urging for a balanced approach to moral issues beyond single-issue politics. The complexities of evangelical support for Trump and the challenges of upholding character in politics are thoroughly examined.

Pete Wehner, Senior Fellow at the Trinity Forum and contributor to the New York Times and the Atlantic, joins the podcast to discuss how to relate to those who still support Trump. They explore understanding the perspective of Trump supporters, engaging in conversations with them, and navigating relationships. They highlight the importance of dialogue and open debate, as well as the need for spiritual discernment and practical tips for meaningful conversations.

Pete Wehner, a senior fellow at the Trinity Forum and former advisor in three Republican administrations, digs into the complexities of Donald Trump’s influence on the GOP. He critiques Trump's appeal to evangelical voters and why many overlook his moral failings. They discuss the hollow redemption narratives like that of Pete Hegseth. The conversation takes a hopeful turn as Wehner reflects on the emotional impact of Tracy Chapman's 'Fast Car' duet at the Grammys, suggesting music can bridge divides in these polarized times.