Stephen Armstrong, a Tortoise reporter, dives into the Archbishop of York's controversial handling of a sexual abuse case. Pete Apps, an Orwell Prize-winning author, shares insights on the UK’s rising water bills, warning of a 21% increase due to infrastructure failures. Basia Cummings discusses the implications of these crises on governance and public trust. The conversation challenges the Church of England's relevance amid allegations and explores how financial burdens impact communities in modern British society.

Hannah Fearn speaks with Pete Apps, a housing journalist and author who tackles critical issues in construction, about the recent Grenfell Tower inquiry report. They discuss the shocking systemic failures that led to the tragedy, emphasizing that the 72 deaths were preventable. The conversation reveals how political narratives misrepresented safety regulations and highlights urgent lessons for reforming building codes. They stress the need for accountability and a robust regulatory framework to prioritize public safety and prevent similar disasters in the future.