Payne Lindsey, creator of the true crime podcast Up and Vanished, dives deep into the haunting disappearances of Florence Okpealuk and Joseph Balderas. He discusses the emotional strain families endure and the complexities surrounding missing persons cases. The conversation highlights community involvement and the systemic issues within law enforcement, particularly regarding Indigenous women. Lindsey also shares insights on the evolution of true crime storytelling and the delicate balance of revealing truths while respecting victims and their families.

Payne Lindsey, creator of Atlanta Monster and Up and Vanished, shares behind-the-scenes insights in this podcast. They discuss upcoming seasons, collaboration on various projects, and the development of a new chat show. The podcast delves into the Atlanta child murders case, their communication with Wayne Williams, and the second season focused on the disappearance of Crystal in a spiritual town. Listeners are left excited for the journey ahead.