Paul Keating, former Prime Minister, advocates for Australia's self-defense and challenges the AUKUS deal, calling for a shift away from U.S. reliance. Nancy Pelosi, veteran U.S. politician, rebuts Keating's dismissal of Taiwan, labeling his comments as naive. Richard McGregor from the Lowy Institute analyzes the implications of distancing from American support on national security. The discussion also touches on the complexities of the AUKUS submarine deal and the need for public awareness on defense spending amidst rising tensions in the Asia-Pacific.
