In this captivating conversation, cold case investigator Paul Holes sheds light on the deceptions of manipulators and psychopaths. Drawing on his experience with the Golden State Killer case, he highlights subtle behaviors that can indicate danger. Paul discusses the psychological intricacies of both male and female serial killers, revealing how they can hide their true nature. He also explores the tactics narcissists use to maintain control in toxic relationships, providing valuable insights on navigating emotional abuse and reclaiming personal power.

Paul Holes (@PaulHoles) is a former investigator known for his contributions to solving the Golden State Killer case using advanced methods of identification with DNA and genealogy technology, and he is the author of Unmasked: My Life Solving America's Cold Cases. What We Discuss with Paul Holes: Why do some serial killers take breaks between their murder sprees or even quit killing altogether? Why does it seem like there were so many serial killers in the '70s compared to today? How rare are they, really? What psychological toll does intimately working homicides and cold cases take on investigators? Why cases commonly go cold, what gets them flagged for reexamination, and how the passage of time can actually work in favor of solving them. What makes cold case investigators like Paul so good at noticing evidence and crime scene details others miss? And much more... Full show notes and resources can be found here: jordanharbinger.com/725 Sign up for Six-Minute Networking -- our free networking and relationship development mini course -- at jordanharbinger.com/course! Miss our conversation with the American photographer who survived seven months under captivity by Al-Qaeda? Catch up with episode 217: Matthew Schrier | How to Survive in a Secret Syrian Terrorist Prison here! Like this show? Please leave us a review here -- even one sentence helps! Consider including your Twitter handle so we can thank you personally!

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An investigator was on the verge of retirement, having never completed his decades-long mission to catch the Golden State Killer. Then he had an idea: Upload DNA evidence to a genealogy website. Guest: Paul Holes, who helped to crack the case. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.