Patrick O’Grady, Founder of Commonware and former CTO at Ava Labs, discusses his journey through the crypto landscape. He shares insights on the mission behind Commonware, aiming to enhance blockchain flexibility for developers. O'Grady reveals the innovative exo-stack concept and how it democratizes access to state-of-the-art technologies. The conversation highlights the need for adaptability in cryptographic strategies and the importance of Uniswap's groundbreaking bug bounty in securing new protocols, while fostering a collaborative developer ecosystem.

Kevin Sekniqi, Co-Founder of Avalanche, and Patrick O'Grady, VP of Engineering at Avalanche, join the show to discuss the future of Avalanche with thousands of highly optimized specialized blockchains. They explain the concept of subnets and their economics, and compare them with rollups. They also discuss the implementation of the Warp protocol for cross-chain communication, the value accrual of AVACs, and the excitement for Avalanche and Ava Labs in 2024.