Kelsey Piper, a senior writer for Vox focused on improving government, joins Patri Friedman, GP of Pronomous Capital and co-founder of Seasteading, to explore groundbreaking ideas for reforming governance. They discuss the evolution of charter cities and seasteading, and how these concepts might offer solutions to bureaucratic stagnation. The duo also examines the historical attempts at creating autonomous zones, reflecting on political reform and the potential challenges in a rapidly changing world. Their insights spark a thought-provoking conversation about freedom and governance.