Pat Conroy, the Australian Minister for Defence Industry, discusses modernizing the Australian Defence Force amidst evolving global challenges. He highlights Australia’s commitment to a rules-based order while strengthening ties with Pacific nations. The conversation touches on the impact of sports diplomacy, specifically the introduction of a Papua New Guinean rugby league team in enhancing diplomatic relations. Conroy also underscores the necessity for increased defense investments and cross-partisanship in national security planning for a stable future.