In this episode, they discuss the creative process in music videos, storytelling in music, knowing when an album is finished. Other topics include The Beatles, punk ethos, addiction, traveling, and burn out. The conversation is engaging and insightful, with a touch of humor and personal experiences.

Oliver Tree joins the hosts to put his lies to the test. They discuss his sobriety journey, playful banter, and the challenges of achieving sobriety. They also talk about their heights, shooting music videos in different countries, and the complexities of video production. The paradox of their serious music being perceived as a joke is explored, as well as frustrations with merchandise printing. The episode ends with a heated argument but a positive note of gratitude.