Film critic Nicolas Rapold and FT's editor Topher Forhecz discuss Yorgos Lanthimos' new film 'Kinds of Kindness' and its dark, inaccessible weirdness. They debate if the movie is grotesque in a good or bad way, and explore the 'Lanthimos vibe'. The podcast also touches on the challenges of unconventional cinema formats and mainstream success, as well as the balance between cruelty and humor in storytelling.