Nicholas Kuznitz, a reporter at Inside Climate News who focuses on oil and gas, joins Leah Stokes, an associate professor at UC Santa Barbara specializing in climate and clean energy policy. They dive into the recent EPA regulations targeting power plants and discuss the untested technologies of hydrogen production and carbon capture. The conversation highlights the potential and challenges of clean hydrogen as a pathway to a greener future. Together, they explore innovative strategies for achieving sustainable energy in light of pressing climate commitments.