Nicholas Kulish, an immigration reporter for The New York Times, teams up with Natalie Kitroeff, a business reporter, to uncover the intriguing story of Cordelia Scaife May. They discuss how this wealthy heiress funded the anti-immigration movement, shaping policies that influenced the Trump administration. The conversation dives into May's complex background, her radical transformation, and the powerful networks supporting anti-immigration efforts. They reveal the profound societal fears driving these ideologies and their lasting impacts on immigration reform.