In this engaging discussion, Richard Rubin, a U.S. tax policy reporter at The Wall Street Journal, and Natasha Saron, a Yale professor and former Treasury counselor, tackle the intricate workings of the IRS and Treasury. They emphasize the complexities of tax collection and federal finance management, debunk myths about the IRS's necessity, and discuss the agency's significant challenges like underfunding and outdated tech. Their insights shed light on how these entities collaborate to shape economic policies and serve the public effectively.